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Facing Two Angry Tamils: Interpretations Of Past And Present

By Michael Roberts

Prof. Michael Roberts

Whenever my articles have been posted on web sites, I have generally not engaged those readers who have inserted comments. Unlike Dayan Jayatilleke, I do not have the energy to participate in what often turn into dog fights. Besides, the blog format is not conducive to lengthy clarifications of the article type. It would also be difficult in many instances to defend myself without adopting a pontifical tone that would be self-defeating.

However, my presentation of “Victor Rajakulendran’s Tirade at the Exposure of Pirapaharan’s Admiration for Hitler” in the web outlet Colombo Telegraph drew extended comments of a political character from two Tamil gentlemen that induce me to respond at length in a measured manner for the benefit of the audience-at-large. This is called for because the ideological positions they adopted[i] are of considerable significance, so much so that they have been displayed prominently as separate items in my thuppahi web site.

Let me stress here neither their comments nor my present article can be fully comprehended without a reading of my previous article “Inspirations: Hero Figures and Hitler in Young Pirapāharan’s Thinking;[ii] and the preceding companion piece involving the work of Ganeshan Iyer, namely, “Military Training in the German Nazi Mould amidst Internal Dissension in the early LTTE, late 1970s,” translated by Parames Blacker.[iii]

Kathiravan and Thanga are clearly Tamils of the diaspora who are explicitly committed to the cause of Thamilīlam and its pursuit by the Transnational Government of Tamil Eelam (TGTE) and its affiliates. In my reading they are hard core Tamil nationalists and are strongly committed to the Tamil Tiger legacy. It is precisely because of this commitment that their lines of thought call for analysis. In pursuing this work of decoding I am not seeking to convert them. In my conjecture both are incorrigible ultra-nationalists.

I do not think these two individuals are idiosyncratic. While there will undoubtedly be a wide spectrum of views among the Tamil ultra-nationalists residing abroad as well as in Sri Lanka, it is my surmise that some of the contentions presented by our duo represent beliefs that are held by a fair proportion of the Tamil ultras. That is why the thoughts expressed by the two are as significant as they are alarming.

Kathiravan: Reading the Present into the Past

Kathiravan presents a historical interpretation that is probably widespread in Tamil circles and even adhered to by Tamils of relatively moderate political disposition today. Through his rhetorical question-statements, he holds that the “Tamil people in Sri Lanka…lived in the island as a sovereign people governing a defined territory in the north-east of the island prior to the advent of colonial powers.” This is a claim that is as erroneous as it is misleading.

I do not think these two individuals are idiosyncratic. While there will undoubtedly be a wide spectrum of views among the Tamil ultra-nationalists residing abroad as well as in Sri Lanka, it is my surmise that some of the contentions presented by our duo represent beliefs that are held by a fair proportion of the Tamil ultras

For one it involves a reading of the present into the past by deploying the concepts of sovereignty and self-determination prevailing today into a past era in Asia which was directed by different notions of statehood. Guided by such scholars as SJ Tambiah (1976, 1985), one must attend to the character of such states as (a) centre-oriented entities that allowed for fluctuations in centre-periphery relations and (b) which took incorporative forms based on the mandala model, a form of rulership that I have called “tributary overlordship” (more or less the same as the concept of “ritual sovereignty” mentioned more briefly by CR de Silva: 1995a: 11).[iv]

Within such a context satellite states and little chieftains could maintain localized dominion as long as they symbolically acknowledged superior cakravarti figures through rites of homage and periodic payments of tribute known by such terms as däkum, panduru pakkkudam and kappan. Within the entity known as Siri Laka, Sīhaladvīpa, Heladiv, Ilankai, et cetera in the centuries thirteen to eighteen, the kingly figure at the apex of this loose, incorporative form of dominion was the Sinhala king at the various capitals at Dambadeniya, Yapahuva, Gampola, Kotte, Sitavaka and Kandy respectively from the 13th to the 19th century. This ideological sovereignty, however fitful and subject to question at times, was supported by the pervasive power of the Sīhaladīpa concept in the political, literary and folk traditions of the Sinhala-speaking peoples (Roberts 2004: 60-64, 70-84).

The Jaffna Peninsula in the extreme north became the centre of a sub-kingdom peopled mostly by Tamils after an invasion by a Cola satrap (provincial governor) named Māgha in the thirteenth century. This little domain appears to have become a bone of contention fought over by the Cola, Pandya, Vijayanāgara and Sinhala powers during the course of the next three hundred years. Its greatest moment was under the dynasty founded by the Pandyan satrap, Arya Cakravarti, in the mid-fourteenth century, when the Kingdom of Yalppānam expanded its capacities by force of arms and  extracted tribute from the people of the western coast down beyond Colombo.

Nevertheless the Madavala inscription of 1359 records a treaty between the Arya Chakravarti dynast, Martandam Perumal and King Vikramabahu III (whose capital was Gampola) where Martandam remains a “perumal” in contrast with the “Chakravarti Svamin,” that is, Vikramabahu (Paranavitana 1961; Somaratna 1975: 41-48). This is a telling sign of the symbolic hierarchies that organise overlordship and political authority.

There is no contesting the fact that around 1431 the forces Parakrama Bahu VI of Kotte (1411-66) under Sapumal Kumara invaded and wrested control of Yalppānam from the overarching dominion established there in previous decades by the Vijayanagara Empire (KM de Silva 1981: 87-89). Sapumal Kumara eventually became King of Kotte as Bhuvenaka Bahu VI (1469-77) in fractious and contested circumstances. Whether the sub-kingdom of Yalppānam remained under the domination of Kotte and acknowledged its suzerainty in the period thereafter, that is from 1489-1619, remains uncertain. However, the Portuguese historian Fernao de Queiroz, who compiled his seventeenth-century chronicle from multiple sources, presents a clear-cut picture of vassalage.[v] So too does Philip Baldeaus (1996) in the same century. If any specialist historian can indicate why we must not pay heed to such sources, or can provide evidence on the practices of the Tamil elites commanding the northern peninsula that suggest otherwise, this conclusion will have to be re-visited.

The Jaffna Peninsula is just one zone. More critical for our interests is that amorphous area known in those days as the Vanni, a huge swathe of territory that extended from the Pooneryn-Puttalam coast in the west across to the east and then southwards to the Panama area.[vi] One facet of Kathiravan’s alarming imperialism is the conviction that the Tamils residing in the eastern littoral of the island were part of the segment known as Yalppānam.

While the data is fragmentary and sometimes circumstantial, in broad sweep it seems that the local chieftains known as vanni rajavaru, vanni unnähē or vanni ranno were generally subject to the overlordship of the Sinhala capitals for much of the period extending from the 13th to the 17th centuries. After the decline of the Polonnaruva civilisation Parakramabahu II (1236-70) encouraged dignitaries from Malavara and other parts of India to colonise depopulated areas.[vii] Such interventions occurred in subsequent centuries as well and led to the entry of peoples described as Malala, Demala Hetti, Telangana Hetti and Mukkāru – some of whom presented dakum panduru to the Sinhalese king sponsoring the project.[viii] While the Mukkāru (Mukkuvar) were initially in the Puttalam area, they were transferred to the east coast at a much later date.[ix] Such acts indicate that wide-ranging authority was exercised by some Sinhalese kings.

The question whether Prabhakaran is alive or dead is immaterial. Prabhakaran is part of Tamil history and part of Tamil psyche. He will be remembered by generations and generations to come. Liberation movements never die with their founders.

Though Indrapala distinguishes between “Tamil Vanniyas” and “Sinhalese Vanniyars” when referring to these little kings,[x] one should qualify this emphasis by allowing for hybridity and bilingual capacities. DGB de Silva’s essay points towards princely interaction and intermarriage among the Vanniyars (1996) – though the Mukkāru (Mukkuvar) people from Kerala seem to have kept themselves distinct, while yet becoming indigenized over time as a Tamil caste in the societal scheme of things along the eastern coast.

CR de Silva indicates that the Vanniyars of the east coast acknowledged their allegiance from Kotte to the ruler of Senkadagala, namely the King of Kandy, in the sixteenth century (de Silva 1995a:15).  Again, in the seventeenth century Rajasinha II of Kandy assembled units from such places as “Tirukkovila” and “Kottiarama” for his wars with the Portuguese; while the detailed descriptions within Donald Ferguson’s The Earliest Dutch Visits to Ceylon indicate clearly that the little kings along the coast of Batticaloa were subjects of the King of Kandy.[xi]

Thus one can say that most of the vanni rajavaru in the eastern, north-central and north-western portions of the island seem to have nodded their heads in vassalage and allegiance to the Sinhala capital most of the time during the fourteenth to eighteenth centuries. Whether those in the northern parts encompassing the present Kilinochchi and Mullaitivu districts did so is an issue I leave open.

The Dutch readily slotted themselves into this scheme of things so that they could secure rights of cinnamon collection within the territories directly commanded by the King of Kandy. They caressed the King of Kandy with high sounding epithets and gifts which in effect amounted to tribute; while many a Governor referred to himself as “the king’s most faithful and humble servant” and their fort as “the king’s castle at Colombo.” (Roberts 2004: 79).

Needless to say, this is a brief glimpse of a complex topic. Readers should refer to both my book Sinhala Consciousness (2004) and that by Alan Strathern on Kingship and Conversion in Sixteenth–Century Sri Lanka (2007) to gain fuller information on the situation in the 16th to 18th centuries. For the 13th to 15th centuries the general texts are those by Pathmanathan, Liyanagamage and Somaratna, but all three were written in the British empirical tradition and implicitly informed – and thus misled — by modern bureaucratic understandings of the concept “rule.” Nor did they they have the benefit of recent work by HAP Abeyawardena (1998), DGB de Silva (1996) and Obeyesekere’s (2010) on the kadaimpot and other palm-leaf manuscripts.

History-writing as well as archaeological inquiries are a battleground in contemporary politics so that Kathiravan’s obiter dicta on history is intimately connected to the reasons he presents for the rise of Tamil militancy in the latter half of the twentieth century through questions hurled at me (in accusation of neglect). Some of these contentions, such as the reference to the violence directed against Tamils in 1958, 1977 and 1983, and the several occasions in the past where leading Ceylonese statesmen reneged on agreements made with Tamil leaders, are quite valid (Roberts 1978 and 2006b). I have myself alluded to these factors in essays devoted to analyses of the political process in broad sweep; while my “Agony and Ecstasy” (1994) is a personal and literary protest condemning that obscene act, the pogrom against Tamils residing in the south in July 1983 — a political crime carried out by some Sinhala chauvinists (both government functionaries and people) that proved wholly counterproductive to the Sinhala people as well as Sri Lankan society.

Kathiravan does make a significant point in arguing that the “Tamil people” have declared their attachment to the goal of self-determination at every general election since 1977 – significant as long as one enters one or two caveats relating to the Malaiyaha Tamils of the plantation areas on the one hand and, on the other, to the Tamil people in the eastern littoral. However, to present this as a legitimate claim that can be translated into an autonomous unit by some magical writ is a fanciful notion that reveals his extremism.

The political sentiments of the SL Tamils (in their variety) have to contest the electoral terrain with those of the SL Muslims (in their variety), those of the Malaiyaha Tamils (in their variety) and those of the Sinhalese (in their variety) They have also to be addressed according to demographic distribution in space. Insofar as self-determination is linked to territorial claim the specific delineation of the so-called “traditional homeland” by the Tamil leaders since 1949 is a dubious claim based on the arbitrary delimitation of provincial boundaries by the British in the nineteenth century and does not accord with the linguistic distribution that existed then[xii] or, as we saw, the political history of the eastern districts and the northern Vanni areas in the centuries thirteen to nineteen.

No doubt my claims will be contested, but they are adequate to indicate that Kathiravan is being quite simple-minded. That, then, is the problem with hard core nationalist ultras: they are one-eyed in ways that erase complexity and tailor the discussion to their agenda. Like many firebrand ultras (both Sinhala and Tamil alike) they also tend to play man not ball – the “man” in this instance being myself. Kathiravan’s touch of sneer is magnified by a demand that I should have addressed “the fundamental causes” of the conflict.

I have in fact done so elsewhere and, indeed, saw the chasm coming in the mid-1970s (Roberts 1978 & 2006b). His ignorance on this point is excusable. What is inexcusable, but typical of extremists, is the misreading of my essay on Pirapāharan’s admiration for Hitler and Germany. I explicitly focused therein on the intellectual inspirations for Pirapāharan’s militancy and consistently referred to “young Pirapāharan.” The clear enunciation of this narrowed focus is simply by-passed by Kathirivan because of his passion for the cause.

From this misreading he leaps to the accusation that “historians keep barking about terrorism.” Since I have consistently avoided the use of this term in my writings, such a charge is aggravating. However, Kathirivan’s aggressive presentation of Tamil grievances and the affirmation that he will only invest “in the Tamil homeland” when it has autonomy/independence undermines his subsequent posture as a person seeking “genuine reconciliation.” To my mind this reeks of mendacity.

Thanga: Prabhakaran is now “part of the Tamil psyche

Thanga replicates Kathiravan in his tone of disparagement and his distorted understanding of the political dispensation in the centuries before the advent of the Portuguese colonial forces. The sneer is directed at both Ganeshan Iyer and myself.

Thanga’s admiration for Pirapāharan is so great that he cannot see the significance of having new information from a fellow-fighter who was the first LTTE treasurer as well – seconded as it is by information provided by another early Tiger fighter, Rāghavan. The specific concentration on the “young Pirapāharan” in my writing is simply dismissed from his purview. The inclusion of Hitler among the several heroes and currents of ideological inspiration motivating the youthful Pirapāharan is downplayed by insisting that Pirapāharan was a voracious reader and was inspired by Indian and Tamil epics.

These facets have been also highlighted by other writers such as Narayan Swamy, Sivaram and Jeyaraj, so Thanga is not inserting much that is new, though some of the details he provides on the influence of the historical novels penned by the Tamil writer Kalki are a useful embellishment. However, his analytical reasoning is quite fallacious. The influence of such heroes as Bose, Napoleon and Alexander the Great (as well as Guevara) does not mean that Hitler was unimportant in Pirapāharan’s thinking. Taken together Iyer and Ragavan’s presentations enable one to pinpoint those aspects of German history under Hitler which Pirapāharan admired: namely, the military training methods of the Wehrmacht and Hitler’s commanding status as supreme commander with unsullied dictatorial authority. Such inspirations from the history of Nazi Germany in Pirapāharan’s thinking seem quite strange when the LTTE is compared with other insurgencies and liberation movements of the past fifty years. As far as I am aware no leaders of modern liberation campaigns had even a passing fancy for Hitler.

Thanga also insists that Pirapāharan was firmly secular in his political orientation. There certainly are grounds to support such a contention, but there are also some indications that qualifications have to be tacked unto any such emphasis. For one, there is evidence that Pirapāharan was guided by astrological numerology in avoiding major decisions on certain days and in the disposition of frontline bunkers (Pratap 2001: 87; Siemon-Netto 2002). Secondly, when a shipment of arms secured from Lebanon was landed secretly in Tamilnadu in 1984, thereby reducing the LTTE’s dependence on India[xiii] and giving the LTTE an edge over the other militant Eelamist groups, Pirapāharan “tonsured his head as a mark of thanksgiving to the Hindu gods [and] quietly traveled to the pilgrim town of Palani to pray at the hill temple of Murugan, his favorite deity” (Narayan Swamy 2003: 110).

Thanga’s eloquent intervention indicates that he is a devotee of Pirapāharan and the Tiger cause. Thanga tells us that Pirapāharan is now a major subject of hero worship in Tamil magazines, books and cinematic fare in Tamilnadu. That has been confirmed for me by Tamil journalists from that region; but they have indicated that Tamilnadu society and politics are quite complex and that those politicians who play the Tiger card do so for personal reasons[xiv]  and, in any event, have relatively limited support. Thus Sathiyamoorthy stresses that a burgeoning readership “does not automatically translate into the reader becoming a Prabhakaran worshipper or even follower” (email dated 3 March 2012). Therefore, Sinhalese ultra-nationalists should not be too concerned about the Tamilnadu Tiger spectre (though I am afraid that they too tend towards incorrigibility on issues such as this).

Nevertheless Thanga has a point: Pirapāharan is the equivalent of a god in some (limited) circles in Tamilnadiu. More vitally he is akin to a god among sections of the Sri Lankan Tamil diaspora (as I indicated in my article without Thanga’s aid). Thanga’s central thrust, one that everyone should take seriously, is this:

The question whether Prabhakaran is alive or dead is immaterial. Prabhakaran is part of Tamil history and part of Tamil psyche. He will be remembered by generations and generations to come. Liberation movements never die with their founders.

True, very true. With people like Thanga and Kathivaran around, this deified attachment to the cause of an independent Tamil state in Sri Lanka and the perpetuation of a propaganda war against Sri Lanka will persist for quite a while. This hostility will extend to those who speak up for aspects of Sri Lankan society and politics (for example Dayan Jayatilleke) or those who are seen to denigrate Pirapaharan. So, Raghavan, Iyer and Roberts have ventured into the unthinkable. They have cast unacceptable aspersions upon “a brave, selfless and dedicated leader who lived by example.”

What is more this leader, the talaivar (Führer), was a “leader who never slept on a mat or used a pillow!” He was, in other words, in the line of Tamil ascetic heroes, a man to die for, a man to follow, a man whose cause one must pursue in the same dedicated fashion. War! War! Tamililam is not dead. War! War!

We should not laugh at such persons. They are as dogged and dedicated as they are extreme. They are deadly serious. Yes, deadly persons Pirapaharan died for.

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[ii] See http://thuppahi.wordpress.com/2012/02/13/inspirations-hero-figures-and-hitler-in-young-pirapaharans-thinking/. It seems to me that neither Kathiravan nor Thanga have read my essay on Pirapaharan’s admiration for Hitler and Nazi Germany. Or, if they have, they have not understood its parametres or arguments fully.

[iii] See http://thuppahi.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/military-training-in-the-german-nazi-mould-amidst-internal-dissension-in-the-early-ltte-late-1970s/. Note that both these items also appeared in Colombo Telegraph under different titles.

[iv] Roberts, Sinhala Consciousness, 2004: 59-64, 70, 75-84, 86-87, 123-24, 159.

[v] Queiroz 1931: 32, 48-49.

[vi] See Roberts 2004; 11, 14, 28, 43 57 & 70-78 for documented references to the Vanni.

[vii] DGB de Silva 1996: 157-58, 168, 171.

[viii] Abeyawardena 1991: 19; Abeyawardena 1978: 21, 158; and DGB de Silva 1996.

[ix] DGB de Silva 1996: 166-67, 169, 173, 180.

[x] Indrapala 1970: 123-26. Liyanagamage (1968: 86, 128) also refers to the “Sinhala maha vannin.”

[xi] Roberts 2004: 74, quoting the Rajasiha Hatana and Ferguson 1998: 120, 89, 92, 104, 114, 130.

[xii] On this critical issue see GH Peiris 1991, 1994 and 1999. Peiris presents his analysis with an xplcit caveat: “within the limits of colonial census data” (personal communication). Also see Roberts, Narrating Tamil Nationalism, 2005: 14-20.

[xiii] Between August 1983 and July 1987 the Indian government and the state authorities of Tamilnadu actively supported and sponsored the several Eelamist fighting forces. They established military training camps for most of them. The LTTE had at least 11 batches trained at such camps, some of which were run by the LTTE themselves. It is widely believed that TELO was the group most favoured by the Indian authorities. However, TELO and other groups such as PLOTE were totally dependent on India for its arms and ammunition. Pirapāharan had the foresight and the connections  to secure his own lines of armament

[xiv] For background, see Krishna 1999 and Ranganathan & Rodrigues 2010.

Discussion

70 thoughts on “Facing Two Angry Tamils: Interpretations Of Past And Present

  1. Michael. It is impossible to reason with people who are only bent of making statements they realise are not true but say it anyway. I spoke to the people of the Vanni and found most of them in absolute poverty while their “Dictator” lived in luxury. Have they been anywhere near the Vanni? I doubt it. I would like to make a point with the education these people have had. Where have we been taught to make untruthful statements and argue tilkl the cows come home that what they say is true.Prabakaran and his junta were Hitlerian. There is no doubt about this. I am glad the Sri Lankan army were able to split hios head wide open. There was really only a bit of yellow matter there.

    Posted by Peter Casie Chetty | March 8, 2012, 1:41 am
  2. Greetings Roberts,

    You have about 10-15 years left on Planet Earth. I’m sure the time could be better spent attending to your estate than parroting some hogwash about Prabhakaran and Hitler. National Socialism has never had any place in the psyche of the Dravidian nationalist; in fact, Dravidian nationalism seeks to obliterate every last vestige of so-called “Aryan” influence. To suggest that a major Dravidian figure of the likes of Prabhakaran would draw inspiration from an Aryan supremacist like Hitler, of all people, based solely on the testimony of two eyewitnesses, is absolute rubbish. Enjoy your remaining days!

    Posted by Observer | March 8, 2012, 5:55 am
    • But Unterklokommandant Heshan, this opinion of yours (that VP’s fascination with Hitler could not have been true because his nationalism was Dravidian) has already been rubbished when you made the claim under your other name Nihal P. Why are you now reclaiming it as Observer? And if you an Asian can have a homosexual infatuation with Hitler and the SS, and if as a Christian white supremacist, you still are in love with a Tamil Hindu mass murderer, why is VP’s admiration for Hitler so impossible?

      It’s not surprising you wish to discount two eyewitness testimonies of VP’s fascination for Hitler when you dismiss millions of eyewitnesses to claim that Hitler won WW2; the US won the Vietnam War; that the general election of 2001 that returned the UNP to parliament never took place; that Ranil W entered parliament illegally; that North Korea isn’t a member of the UN; that Israel, Japan, and Canada do not have militaries; that the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was carried out not by the US government but by renegade Jews; that Germany and India do not have presidents; and that the Holocaust is unimportant because it only killed Jews. There are millions of eyewitnesses, thousands of historians, and literally countless yards of column print and film footage to prove you wrong on all of the above, and yet you insist you are right.

      Posted by David Blacker | March 8, 2012, 7:48 am
      • As I said before, engaging in any sort of debate with you is pointless. Nevertheless, it’s important for other readers to understand your criminal background:

        “I myself have helped dispose of bodies in this way, and we did make crude juvenile jokes. We were all just 19 or 20 years old, and you joke about everything if you don’t wanna go insane. Many of us had never even seen a real naked woman before, so obviously we commented, even though they were dead. It isn’t a polite tea party, but it isn’t a war crime either.” – David Blacker (ex-soldier, SLA, and war criminal)

        http://groundviews.org/2011/06/21/the-story-of-the-hypocrite-in-a-tamil-man/

        —- Disgusting scenes were shown of dead, semi-naked women, who had obviously been sexually assaulted then shot dead, being thrown on to the back of lorries, while soldiers joked about who was the best looking.” – Siobhain McDonagh (UK Parliamentarian) ——”

        Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 12:25 am
      • “As I said before, engaging in any sort of debate with you is pointless.”

        Unless you have an actual argument, debate will always be pointless for you, as your pathetic experiences on Groundviews and Transcurrents have proven.

        “Nevertheless, it’s important for other readers to understand your criminal background”

        But since I have no criminal background (except for the occasional speeding ticket), and since that quotation consistently proves me innocent, how do you imagine that you are spreading such an understanding? 😀

        I assure you, Unterklokommandant Heshan, that wherever I find you on whichever blog, I will do my utmost to direct readers back to these pages and those on Groundviews where you have declared your devotion to Hitler and Prabakharan, your hatred of Jews and Muslims, your praise of colonialism and white Christian domination, as well as all the other absurd comments you have ever made. I give you my word on that 😉

        Posted by David Blacker | March 9, 2012, 4:47 am
  3. Whatever about Praba, Nihal lives!

    Posted by padraigcolman | March 8, 2012, 6:42 am
  4. Observer,i am with you in this darkest moments of your life since 19th May 2009 .What a crime these Rajapakse clan committed in bumping off that wonderful human being “Velu” so early?Anyway lets wait and see what uncle Sam comes up with in Geneva.Till then Observer keep licking Suddha’s boots on all fours.

    Posted by Max Silva | March 8, 2012, 10:05 am
  5. Prabakaran worship as god show these tribes lack of understanding of Jesus. The true son of Lord Al Mighty.

    Posted by Bodinayaka | March 8, 2012, 3:27 pm
  6. Michael Roberts also fails to explain the possible connection between numerous Arab organizations that adopted a hand gesture that resembles the Hitler salute, and the LTTE. One such organization, the PLO, trained with the LTTE in the early days of the latter. In practicing his dishonest brand of select journalism, Roberts fails to mention that such a hand gesture may have been adopted from the latter.

    Another point of interest is the following claim of Roberts: “Taken together Iyer and Ragavan’s presentations enable one to pinpoint those aspects of German history under Hitler which Pirapāharan admired: namely, the military training methods of the Wehrmacht and Hitler’s commanding status as supreme commander with unsullied dictatorial authority.”

    Roberts does not explain how Prabhakaran came to know of the military training methods of the Wehrmact. These military training methods cannot be found in Mein Kampf, and not much was written about them during the 70’s and 80’s, when the LTTE was just taking off. Furthermore, these military training methods are not suited for guerilla warfare; they are suited for conventional warfare, which was at all times beyond the resource capacity of the LTTE. Therefore, Roberts ought to explain why Prabhakaran would have found the military training methods of the Wehrmact useful, when such methods had no chance of being implemented by the LTTE .

    Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 12:21 am
    • “One such organization, the PLO, trained with the LTTE in the early days of the latter. In practicing his dishonest brand of select journalism, Roberts fails to mention that such a hand gesture may have been adopted from the latter.”

      Aside from the fact that Roberts is not a journalist, are you aware that VP tried to adopt the Nazi salute in the ’70s, and that the first time the PLO was photographed using that salute was when Arafat was greeted by Palestinian police in the self-rule areas on his arrival in 1994. Do you have any evidence of the PLO using the salute before this date? If not, how can your suggestion be anything but silliness?

      “These military training methods cannot be found in Mein Kampf, and not much was written about them during the 70′s and 80′s”

      Actually, there were hundreds of books on German military training methods available at the time. Here are a few:

      The Psychology of Dictatorship: Based on an Examination of the Leaders of Nazi Germany by G. M. Gilbert
      Canaris by Heinz Höhne
      The Nazi War Against Soviet Partisans, 1941-1944 by Matthew Cooper
      Harvest of Hate: The Nazi Program for the Destruction of the Jews of Europe by Léon Poliakov
      Structures of German “Political Theology” in the Nazi Era by Uriel Tal
      Eyewitness, Hitler: The Nazi Fuhrer and his times as seen by contemporaries, 1930-1945 by Jenny Akerstrom
      Hoffman: Hitlers Personal Security by Peter Hoffmann
      Nazi Ideology before 1933: A Documentation by Barbara Miller Lane and Leila J. Rupp
      Resistance and terrorism: Dietrich Bonhoeffer’s move into the field of violence by Eberhard Bethge
      Propaganda The Art of Persuasion World War II (vol1) An Allied and Axis Visual Record, 1933-1945
      Hermann Goring: From Regiment to Fallschirmpanzerkorps by Roger James Bender
      The Nazi Party Courts: Hitler’s Management of Conflict in His Movement, 1921-1945 by Donald M. McKale
      The Nazis by George Bruce
      Rommel as Military Commander by Ronald Lewin
      German Generals Talk by Basil H. Liddell Hart
      Hitler Youth and Catholic Youth, 1933-1936;: A Study in Totalitarian Conquest by Lawrence D. Walker
      Uniforms, Organization, and History of the Waffen SS by Roger James Bender & Hugh Page Taylor
      The Goebbels Diaries, 1942-1943 by Joseph Goebbels

      That’s just a sample of the books published in the ’70s; if you include ones published before that it gets into the thousands; add the ’80s, and it’s literally tens of thousands. I don’t think it’s therefore impossible to conclude that VP got his hands on one or two. Thanks once more, Unterklokommandant Heshan, for demonstrating to us so convincingly your utter stupidity 😀

      “Furthermore, these military training methods are not suited for guerilla warfare”

      If your point is that Nazi training was about marching up and down in shiny boots and saluting each other, you would be correct in your surmise; if not, no, it’s just your usual idiocy. Also, Roberts has at no time suggested that VP relied ONLY on Nazi training methods or that he did not study other militaries.

      “which was at all times beyond the resource capacity of the LTTE.”

      And yet, from 1990 onwards, the Tigers regularly attempted to fight as a conventional army, at Elephant Pass in 19901, at Welioya in 1992, and on countless other occasions. They took and held territory and administered it with police forces, etc.

      “Roberts ought to explain why Prabhakaran would have found the military training methods of the Wehrmact useful, when such methods had no chance of being implemented by the LTTE .”

      Perhaps you, Unterklokommandant Heshan, should first explain what you understand the “Wehrmact” training methods to be. If you think it’s about marching in shiny boots and shouting “Heil Hitler!”, don’t bother.

      Posted by David Blacker | March 9, 2012, 5:56 am
      • How much did the Defense Ministry pay you to write the above? None of those books were translated into Tamil, so the probability that Prabhakaran read them is null and nought .

        Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 9:07 am
      • Lol, the Defence Ministry couldn’t give a toss what I write.

        You don’t know either way if some of the tens of thousands of books were translated into Tamil or not or if someone could have translated them for VP. The point is that the literature existed, though you claim it didn’t. VP may not have been literate enough in English to read Salman Rushdi, but he probably could have read basic English. How else did VP develop any of his military tactics; did he think them all up himself, or depend solely on Indian Tamil publications? The latter two possibilities are unlikely, so it stands to reason that he was capable of reading English or had someone who could explain it to him.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 9, 2012, 10:20 am
      • Here is the government propaganda writer Blacker at his best:

        “That’s just a sample of the books published in the ’70s;”

        Most of those books have nothing to do with Wehrmact training. For example, the Goebbels Diaries? LOL. It’s quite evident that you have no idea what you’re talking about, similar to your absurd claims. And no, Prabhakaran did not know English. Neither did the LTTE ever try to adapt conventional military tactics used by, the Wehrmact. You need tanks, planes, etc, which the LTTE never had.

        Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 9:40 pm
      • Perhaps you are retarded enough (and I use the word “perhaps” generously) to think that those are the ONLY books published in the ’70s which deals with Germany’s war. Those are the first few pages of books listed on Amazon for that decade. There are hundreds more, some dealing with training (and yes, Goebbels’ diary does indeed discuss strategies on propaganda usage and training of people in its art — perhaps you don’t understand the use of propaganda in warfare, but clearly your boyfriend VP did). If you expect me to list every one of the thousands of books out there so that you can peruse them, you’re a bigger idiot than we all think you to be.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 11, 2012, 5:44 pm
  7. sril mathew revisited.. MR(micheal Roberts). Israelis also say that PLO is a fascist organization, inspired by Hitler and it is trying to eliminate Jews. very poor ideological exercise MR(Mahinda Rajapakse) deserves a better apologist

    Posted by Suganthy Arumugam | March 9, 2012, 12:43 am
    • It’s true that Hitler had numerous agreements with the Arabs during WW2. But I do not know why the militant Arab groups that came after WW2 adopted a hand gesture similar to the “Hitler Salute.” In any case, if Prabhakaran adapted the Hitler Salute, it was probably due to the involvement of the early Tamil rebel groups with the PLO or some other Arab faction that had such a hand gesture. It had nothing to do with Prabhakaran reading “Mein Kampf”, which I doubt he ever read in the first place, despite Roberts’ absurd claims. Because “Mein Kampf” is about Hitler’s political philosophy and view of history, which are actually quite boring to read.

      Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 9:47 pm
      • You do not know why because you are ignorant and uneducated, and lacking in even a basic IQ. The Nazis hated Jews, the Arabs hate Jews. 1+1=? yes, Heshan. that’s your clue.

        As I already pointed out, dung-for-brains, the first picture of the PLO using the Hitler salute is in the 21st century. The claim that VP attempted to adopt the salute is from the 1970s. I have repeatedly asked you to show us pictures of the PLO using the salute before the mid-2000s, but you are unable to. So it is clear that claiming VP picked up the salute from the PLO is as stupid as your claim that the US won the Vietnam War and that the Germans won WW2 😀

        Posted by David Blacker | March 11, 2012, 5:50 pm
  8. Why anyone chooses to engage the Peter Casie Chettys, Michael Roberts and David Blackers of this world in debate is beyond me.

    EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS SIMPLY AN APOLOGIST FOR A VILE RACIST THUG-DRIVEN GOVERNMENT AND THAT SHOULD SAY IT ALL!

    Posted by Against Lies and Abuse | March 9, 2012, 2:03 am
    • When you are too inept to play the ball, play the man. Even if we are indeed apologists, does that make our arguments invulnerable? Look at old Unterklokommandant Heshan/Nihal/Observer: he’s an unashamed apologist for the Nazis and the Tigers, he easily dismisses the Holocaust because “only” Jews were killed, he dismisses Tiger terrorism because more people are killed in traffic accidents, etc; and yet, even a five-year-old could demolish his arguments. So why do you, Abuse, find it so difficult to counter our arguments; why must you instead attack us for being apologists?

      Posted by David Blacker | March 9, 2012, 6:04 am
      • Blacker (and Roberts and Casie Chetty):
        To enter into analysis:of material spouted particularly by a self-admitted war criminal – Blacker by his own admission – is a waste of time. The old chestnut applies, “Consider the source.” I once tried reading Mein Kampf, probably before you were born, Blacker, and found it terminally boring. In the last analysis, the same can be said of the PROPAGANDA that you and your ilk keep spouting for reasons best known to all of you, though the conclusion in this connection is only too obvious.

        It would be giving what you people have to say too much dignity to call it “red herrings.” When exaggeration, deceit and downright untruths are the reality, there are other, less polite terms!

        Posted by Against Lies and Abuse | March 9, 2012, 7:41 am
      • “To enter into analysis:of material spouted particularly by a self-admitted war criminal”

        More lies? Why am I not surprised. Can you quote me admitting this?

        “Blacker by his own admission – is a waste of time.”

        No, what I said was that if you expected personal attacks to fit in for your lack of an argument you were wasting your time. From your most recent comment it is clear that I am still right in this advice.

        “I once tried reading Mein Kampf, probably before you were born, Blacker, and found it terminally boring.”

        Unfortunately your idol Prabakharan didn’t agree with you.

        “In the last analysis, the same can be said of the PROPAGANDA that you and your ilk keep spouting for reasons best known to all of you, though the conclusion in this connection is only too obvious.”

        Isn’t that a self-fulfilling prophesy, sort of like you saying, “all contradictory arguments are stupid because they oppose me, so I will not listen, therefore I will not understand, therefore I will not agree, therefore they will be contradictory, and I will declare them stupid.” Hmm, yes, it’s quite obvious.

        “When exaggeration, deceit and downright untruths are the reality, there are other, less polite terms!”

        Terms however you were not polite enough to refrain from using. But the idea that if you don’t listen you will not have to engage is not a new strategy. The ostrich has used it for years 😀

        Posted by David Blacker | March 9, 2012, 10:34 am
    • @Against Lies and Abuse – actually I do so for my own occasional amusement, certainly NOT for ‘engagement’!!

      Posted by Chandra Goonewardene | March 9, 2012, 2:09 pm
  9. Prof. Michael Roberts however much he tries to conceal his prejudice against Lankan Tamils and their history eventually finds himself exposed. His cover is his support to former Cricketer Muralidharan that he generally holds out as his Certificate of good character towards the Tamils. The man is a crass racialist and history-denier. Here he talks of Northern Tamil history beginning in the 13th century i.e. just 2 centuries prior to the arrival of the first Colonialists – the Portugese. That fits in like glove to many and takes Roberts into the chauvinistic fold with such interesting company as Nalin de Silva, Gunadasa Amerasekera, S.L. Gunasekera, Gomini Dayasiri-Dias,
    Champika Ranawake et al. I don’t deny in times such as now it helps to be on the good side of the Rajapakse Government now the Australians have no apetite for Roberts’ brilliance anymore.

    What is Roberts’ answer to the antiquity of the
    Thiruketheeswaram Temple in Mannar/Mantota which, in the estimate of Sinhala scholars such as Sir Paul Peries
    dates over 3,000 years. That is just one example of the presence and dominance of Tamils in what is described
    presently as the North-Eastern Province – although steady State and military aided efforts have resulted in the
    Tamils losing their dominance in the Eastern part ot the Province since 1948.

    I. S. Senguttuvan

    Posted by IS Senguttuvan | March 9, 2012, 3:03 am
  10. Unlike the typical Sinhalese nationalist, the Germans of the 1940’s were simply too intelligent to be influenced just by racist propaganda . So what was the real appeal of Hitler?

    “Hitler’s artistic approach was absolutely central to his success. Lenin’s religious-type fanaticism would never have worked in Germany. The Germans were the best-educated nation in the world. To conquer their minds was very difficult. Their hearts, their sensibilities, were easier targets. Hitler’s strength was that he shared with so many other Germans the devotion to national images new and old: misty forests breeding blond giants; smiling peasant villages under the shadow of ancestral castles; garden cities emerging from ghetto-like slums; riding Valkyries, burning Valhallas, new births and dawns in which shining, millennian structures would rise from the ashes of the past and stand for centuries. Hitler had in common with average German taste precisely those revered images which nearly a century of nationalist propaganda had implanted…” – Paul Johnson, “Modern Times”

    In short, Hitler was a master manipulator. Prabhakaran’s strength, in contrast, was his ability to improvise.

    Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 3:23 am
    • Paul Johnson was a rabid lefty who, in his old age, became a rabid righty and was one of Thatcher’s closest advisers. He was a catholic, educated by Jesuits. In 2006 he was awarded a Presidential Medal of Freedom by GW Bush. Gloria Stewart told the papers about her long-term affair with Johnson because of his hypocrisy about morality, religion and family values.”Paul loved to be spanked and it was a big part of our relationship. I had to tell him he was a very naughty boy.” Not many people consider Johnson a reputable historian.

      Posted by padraigcolman | March 9, 2012, 3:58 am
  11. As I recall Prof Roberts claims part of his origin from the Galle District. Another Professor, who found
    safe haven in Australia later, wrote all sorts of false information about the history of Tamils in the Island
    and later, in his enlightened reincarnation in Australia, was to disown most of them and was satisfied to
    accept the Status Quo. Such are some matters of which a part of world history is attempted to be made.

    Someone referred to David Blacker as a War Criminal here, which I think is grossly unfair. He has a right
    to defend his former employer – that he does eminently well. Equally, he has a right to be critical of
    Tiger excesses – of which there are countless facts and stories.

    ISS

    Posted by IS Senguttuvan | March 9, 2012, 11:56 am
    • Blacker is definitely a war criminal. He believes its okay for soldiers to take (cell phone) pictures of female LTTE corpses, in various states of undress – as well as abuse the corpses in various other ways – because war is not a “a polite tea party.” In fact, Blacker believes abusing the corpses has a therapeutic effect: to not engage in such behavior would result in a definite loss of sanity. In addition to explicitly mentioning that he himself has engaged in such behavior, Blacker has gone to go great lengths to defend his position. Now, the inference to be made here is that if this is how the dead were treated, the living could hardly have been treated much better. It is not a great leap of logic to conclude that torture, rape, murder etc. were perfectly acceptable behavior in the Sri Lankan Army, which is really what Blacker is trying to say. Neither is it a great leap of logic to infer that someone who believes such behavior amounts to a preservation of sanity, is no doubt guilty of the very same atrocious behavior.

      Posted by Observer | March 9, 2012, 10:01 pm
      • “He believes its okay for soldiers to take (cell phone) pictures of female LTTE corpses in various states of undress – as well as abuse the corpses in various other ways”

        Really? Where have I said so? UNterklokommandant Heshan (aka Nihal aka Observer, who was kicked off Transcurrents and Groundviews) is quite a good example of the pro-Tiger mob. When there’s no proof, make it up, then keep repeating it until people think it’s true because it sounds so familiar.

        “In fact, Blacker believes abusing the corpses has a therapeutic effect”

        More lies from the Observer who states the Holocaust must be dismissed because only Jews were killed. I have never said the above; only that humour is therapeutic, which it is.

        “In addition to explicitly mentioning that he himself has engaged in such behavior”

        I have never said any such thing. Why aren’t you posting my statement, Heshan; worried now that it’s proving you the pathological liar you are? 😀

        “Now, the inference to be made here is that if this is how the dead were treated, the living could hardly have been treated much better.”

        That is illogical. Under your logic, if dead are buried, it must be inferred that the living are also buried. If the dead are embalmed, then the living must also be embalmed. Ah, the great Unterklokommandant’s logic. Lol.

        ” It is not a great leap of logic to conclude that torture, rape, murder etc. were perfectly acceptable behavior in the Sri Lankan Army, which is really what Blacker is trying to say.”

        No, it is what you are trying to say. Since you can find no proof of it, you have to lie about me. Pathetic, but quite expected from a person of your upbringing, I’m told.

        “Neither is it a great leap of logic to infer that someone who believes such behavior amounts to a preservation of sanity, is no doubt guilty of the very same atrocious behavior.”

        Since I have never said that, such a leap would be a leap in the dark; something I’m told you are quite familiar from your boarding school days?

        Posted by David Blacker | March 11, 2012, 6:08 pm
  12. All Sinhalese are certainly not racists. In fact the larger number of them are not – and that includes millions who fall ino the category of the vernacular semi-literature (for the want of a better word) But the miniscule variety in the JHU, part of the JVP and that other sundry lot like Dinesh G, Gomin and the Sinhala supremacist lot are pleased to be identified in that garb because that is their raison d’etre. Dinesh D, in particular, owes his high positions only for his rabid communal stance because on his own he cannot get 3,000 votes to be elected to Parliament. One needs to have a living these days to keep head above water – what with the thundering CoL and all that. But fortunately, since of late, the masses in the South are reviewing their
    perspective. That certainly is in the right direction. Sampanthan invited for Ravaya’s 25th was a watershed, in a
    way for a political party that cut its teeth original on an anti-Tamil platform.. All these are good moves and one hopes, for the purpose of genuine and sustained peace and reconciliation, they will grow strong in all four corners of the land.

    ISS

    Posted by IS Senguttuvan | March 9, 2012, 12:15 pm
  13. I have no quarrel with Observer. But if what is described is, if true, will be more sadism than what can fall under the category of War Crimes. Blacker surely will clarify.

    ISS.

    Posted by IS Senguttuvan | March 10, 2012, 1:49 pm
    • Stick around, ISS, and no doubt with time Observer will disgust even you. Just so you know, here are a few gems he’s left us in his time:

      “Women who marry more than twice are whores.”
      “The Holocaust is unimportant because only Jews were killed.”
      “Torture is acceptable as long as the laws say it is OK.”
      “The US won the Vietnam War.”
      “Germany won WW2.”
      “North Korea is not a member of the UN.”
      “Japan, Israel and Canada have no militaries.”
      “Germany and India have no presidents.”
      “There was no general election in SL in 2001, and Ranil W entered parliament illegally.”
      “The Jews dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

      He was banned from Transcurrents for attempting to impersonate DBS Jeyaraj and post comments under his name. He was banned from Groundviews for similar trollish behaviour. Here on Colombo Telegraph he has changed his pseudonym twice already, but unlike those other blogs this one isn’t too concerned about the quality of comments.

      I could go on, but I think you get the point. You may choose for yourself if his ideas have any merit and are worth considering seriously.

      Posted by David Blacker | March 11, 2012, 6:20 pm
      • We must be scrupulously fair. Heshan/Observer defined any “Women who marry more than three times are whores.”

        I think Blacker owes Heshan an apology for misquoting him. 🙂

        Observer/Nihal/Heshan keeps denying that he made these damning remarks. Another easily disproven lie, as can be seen from reading anything written by “Heshan” on Groundviews or indi.ca
        http://indi.ca/2011/05/kps-first-interview-for-the-fifth-time/

        Posted by Mango | March 11, 2012, 10:24 pm
    • Hello ISS,

      As a long-time fan of horror films, particularly the Italian Giallo , I understand how the criminal mind works. I have also done my own research regarding real life serial killers. And I have examined concentration camps (although they are not relevant to this discussion) in some detail. One common thread which emerges is that the pathological killer (or rapist) is unremorseful. Pathological means that said individual is essentially no longer able to distinguish right from wrong. When Blacker says that it’s perfectly okay for Sri Lankan Army soldiers to make rude remarks about corpses of female LTTE cadres – and by implication abuse the bodies in other ways, such as through mutilation and cell phone souvenirs – he is essentially affirming that he possesses such a pathological mindset. Now, another characteristic is that the serial criminal often likes to keep trophies of his victims. Why? Because it gives him a way to “relive” his experience. There is this sense of “de ja vu” – an adrenalin rush, if you will – that the criminal derives from having total power over a hapless victim. So, when Sri Lankan Army soldiers take cell phone pics of their victims, as Blacker probably did, they can feel some of the adrenalin rush at a later time. And a third characteristic of the serial criminal is that he likes to leave a trail behind for the police. He likes to taunt those who are after his skin. It looks as if Blacker does a similar thing, by moving from website to website, denying that war crimes were committed but every so often dropping a hint or two. Again, it’s about the adrenalin rush, the feeling of “de ja vu.” Blacker is reliving his war crimes over and over again.

      Posted by Observer | March 11, 2012, 7:56 pm
      • I forgot to mention, Blacker has given a list of comments which I never made. Then again, what else do you expect from an 8th grade dropout sic war criminal who thinks the Darusman Report is false, that the CH4 tape is false, and that photos of women with their hands tied and undergarments removed does not imply rape?

        Posted by Observer | March 11, 2012, 8:00 pm
      • “As a long-time fan of horror films, particularly the Italian Giallo , I understand how the criminal mind works”

        Yes, it’s quite clear that most of your education was gotten in the back row of a cinema 😀

        “I have also done my own research regarding real life serial killers.”

        Is that what it’s called now? Rofl

        “When Blacker says that it’s perfectly okay for Sri Lankan Army soldiers to make rude remarks about corpses of female LTTE cadres “

        I have never said any such thing 😀 Why don’t you post that comment of mine which proves your lies?

        “and by implication abuse the bodies in other ways, such as through mutilation and cell phone souvenirs”

        The implication is yours, garnered through many years of pedophilia both received and given.

        “So, when Sri Lankan Army soldiers take cell phone pics of their victims, as Blacker probably did”

        But there were no cellphones available in SL when I was a soldier 😀

        “It looks as if Blacker does a similar thing, by moving from website to website, denying that war crimes were committed but every so often dropping a hint or two.”

        Isn’t that what you have done? And haven’t you on this site praised the rape of young boys as “US justice”?

        “Blacker is reliving his war crimes over and over again.”

        Isn’t it you reliving (and relieving) your fantasies? 😀

        Posted by David Blacker | March 12, 2012, 8:50 am
      • “I forgot to mention, Blacker has given a list of comments which I never made.”

        Well, that’s easily settled. All you have to do is type the following and we will believe that you never said the opposite. Please type:

        “I, do not believe that women who marry more than thrice are whores.”

        “I believe that the Holocaust is unimportant because six million Jews were killed; and I accept that millions of non-Jews were also killed.”

        “I believe that torture is unacceptable regardless of the law.”

        “I accept that US lost the Vietnam War.”

        “I accept that Germany lost WW2.”

        “I accept that North Korea is indeed a member of the UN.”

        “I accept that Japan, Israel and Canada do have militaries in spite of the fact that they are termed “Defense Forces”.”

        “I accept that Germany and India have presidents.”

        “I accept that a general election was held in SL in 2001, and Ranil W entered parliament as an elected MP.”

        “I deny the Jews dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and accept it was an act of the US government and it’s military.”

        Can you manage that, Unterlokommandant? If you can state the above unequivocally, it will indeed be clear that you are not Nihal P, Heshan, or any of the other idiot pseudonyms that were kicked off Groundviews and Transcurrents. If you cannot, we will all accept that you are indeed the same sick person.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 12, 2012, 9:04 am
      • That should read “I believe that the Holocaust is important…” etc.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 12, 2012, 12:24 pm
  14. Please the check the following link to the Tamil version of history written in 1905:
    http://books.google.de/books?id=S4_domy-aYsC&printsec=frontcover&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

    I find most of what is written there-in consistent with the ‘Óral history’ I had heard from my parents, grand parents and learned elders. Tamils have been on this island for at least as long as the Sinhalese. The fact that the Sinhalese and Tamils have common origins or extensively inter-married is confirmed by modern genetic studies. To build the history of the Tamils only on the basis of colonial records or the Mhavamsa, is to rubbish the historical memory of a people. A Tamil King ruled the whole of the Island for a time, including the Kandyan Kingdom! There were Sinhalese living in Jaffna and Tamils in most parts of the island,from very early times . Is it not foolish to assume that the Tamils across the Palk Strait – a shallow sea with the Adam’s bridge- were foolish not to cross in to this verdant island, millenia before, Vijaya and his friends arrived?

    Further, I was told by an LTTE official in 2004 in Kilinochchi that their leader-VP- had read all the books in the world! Hitler’s and Nazi writings I am sure were among ‘All’ the books read.

    Further, Prof. Michael Roberts is neither a Sinhalese, Tamil or a Burgher. He is a ‘Kafir’ who grew up and schooled in Galle. He is a Rhodes scholar and man much respected in the academic circles. It speaks well of Sri Lanka that such a man was born here, raised here and achieved the heights he did with this background. Discuss and argue about the contents of his article, if capable. Please do not call him names., as it reflects badly on those doing so, even under assumed names.

    Dr.Rajasingham Narendran

    Posted by Dr.Rajasingham Narendran | March 12, 2012, 7:30 am
    • Thank you for that voice of sanity.

      Posted by Padraig Colman | March 12, 2012, 12:12 pm
      • Amen to that. All this talk of who was here first is just drivel and does nothing to further the discussion. And those who focus obsessively on Prof Roberts’ ethnicity than the validity of his argument perfectly highlight their own intellectual bankruptcy.

        Posted by Mango | March 12, 2012, 1:44 pm
      • Thank you Mango.

        Posted by Padraig Colman | March 12, 2012, 3:47 pm
    • Hello Dr. Narendran,

      Whatever Roberts’ qualifications may be, it is clear that his writing has taken a turn for the worst, when the authoritative sources consist of “David Blacker” and “DBS Jeyaraj,” whom he references in his articles. The former is a war criminal and paid propagandist for GOSL, while the latter has had a long-standing axe to grind with the LTTE (read between the lines of the comments section of his blog). Now, if Roberts wishes to state explicitly that he is writing an opinion piece , then all is fine and well, but passing off what amounts to tabloid journalism and defending the latter as fact, does not do that fine old tradition of peer review much justice, does it?

      Posted by Observer | March 12, 2012, 4:41 pm
      • Observer/Heshan’s lies are so easily uncovered, why does he bother? It must be a congenital defect. Prof Roberts lists over 30 sources to support his argument. Blacker’s statement is one of many.

        Here’s Observer (masquerading as “Heshan”), wishing that the noted and and genuinely brave journalist, DBS Jeyraj’s other leg should also be broken.

        Heshan
        2011-07-13 00:58:17

        “Jeyaraj is a pseudo-journalist. He can’t take the heat from pro-LTTE people, which is why he consistently “responds” in the comments section (journalists are supposed to keep a distance from readers). Try telling him the LTTE should’ve broken his other leg, and watch his reaction.”

        http://indi.ca/2011/07/the-war-is-over-tell-your-friends/

        Posted by Mango | March 12, 2012, 11:40 pm
    • Further, I was told by an LTTE official in 2004 in Kilinochchi that their leader-VP- had read all the books in the world! Hitler’s and Nazi writings I am sure were among ‘All’ the books read.

      How many such books even exist in the Jaffna Peninsula, let alone Kilinochi. This is the point which Roberts does not address: Prabhakaran had limited access to Hitler, due to such barriers as language, geography, education, occupation, etc. Furthermore, contrary to what Roberts writes, “Mein Kampf” is not the means by which most people become acquainted with Hitler, a fact that was true for even the German of 1938.

      Posted by Observer | March 12, 2012, 4:48 pm
      • How many such books existed on the Peninsula is immaterial; all that is pertinent is that such books were available. In spite of “such barriers as language, geography, education, occupation, etc” VP had access to Mein Kampf. You are the only person who contests this. If he had access to that book, there is no reason VP could not have had access to others. Your argument is illogical, as always.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 13, 2012, 11:15 am
      • How many such books existed on the Peninsula is immaterial; all that is pertinent is that such books were available.

        Either Blacker is really retarded or is just intentionally writing rubbish. Either way, I’m surprised the moderators haven’t banned this clown for stupidity. Blacker is assuming that because books on Hitler exist in the Library of Congress or some other famous library, Prabhakaran had access to them. Elsewhere, Blacker wrote that Prabhakaran had enough English background to read Wehrmact training manuals. And Blacker gave a list of books that have nothing to do with Wehrmact training manuals, such as “Goebbels Diaries.” Come on mods, debate is one thing, stupidity is like a brick wall. Ban this worthless piece of shit worthless war criminal already.

        Posted by Observer | March 13, 2012, 8:06 pm
      • @Observer/Nihal/Heshan

        “Wehrmact”

        I am really not being pedantic here. Just curious.

        Why do you persistently use that spelling when everyone else uses “Wehrmacht”?
        Given your extensive knowledge of German history I am assuming that you use this unconventional spelling deliberately.

        Just asking.

        Posted by Padraig Colman | March 14, 2012, 2:54 am
      • “Either Blacker is really retarded or is just intentionally writing rubbish.”

        Or third possibility, that your standard of English is still of the level of The Radiant Way. I said it doesn’t matter how many of the books existed on the peninsula, as long as they were available to be read. The numbers don’t matter. I hope the shorter words and longer explanation now enables you to understand better. But I won’t hold my breath on that.

        Posted by David Blacker | March 14, 2012, 9:01 am
      • Padraig, Heshan’s unusual spelling describes another mental anomaly, his inability to accept correction because he sees it as a great defeat to admit error. Many inadequate people overcompensate http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/549/If%20you%20know%20what%20I%20mean..png

        Posted by David Blacker | March 14, 2012, 9:06 am
  15. I have never posted on “Groundviews” “Transcurrents”, or “indi.ca.” However, I am quite used to these rather puerile attempts at slander, having participated in some discussions on Facebook, where I was called “Tamil” and “LTTE” numerous times, and told to go back to “Nadu.” All of these rather ridiculous ad hominem attacks from people like “Mango” are probably based on a deep-seated antagonism towards Tamils and Christians – to the extent that every “enemy” of SL is somehow Tamil or Christian (or working for an NGO, which was the other object of attack on FB). Unfortunately, since such behavior emanates from adults, there is probably little that can be done – it just shows you the brainwashing being done in the public schools of SL.

    Posted by Observer | March 13, 2012, 12:44 am
    • “I have never posted on “Groundviews” “Transcurrents”, or “indi.ca.””.

      Really!!!!

      Posted by Padraig Colman | March 13, 2012, 5:12 am
    • If you have never posted on those blogs, why is that you are unwilling to contradict what you’ve said on those blogs. I’ve listed a few out for you, but notice that you predictably haven’t taken up the challenge 😀 Surprise, surprise.

      I think it’s great having you on these blogs. Whenever there’s an opportunity for dialogue to actually become coherent and focused against SL, you jump in and derail it into the Land of Farce 😀 The GoSL should be paying you a retainer!

      Posted by David Blacker | March 13, 2012, 7:35 am
    • Heshan/Nihal/Observer: there you go again, unable to conceal your own pathetic inadequacies and prejudices. Where have I ever stated that Sri Lanka’s enemies are Tamils or Christians?

      It’s only you who always tries to bring religion and/or ethnicity to every discussion 🙂 A person’s religion, ethnicity, parental status, schooling or inside leg measurement are completely irrelevant. By your own words, you stand damned as a hypocrite and thanks to Google cache, your comments can never be deleted. 🙂

      Posted by Mango | March 13, 2012, 11:11 am
  16. “Jeyaraj is a pseudo-journalist. He can’t take the heat from pro-LTTE people, which is why he consistently “responds” in the comments section (journalists are supposed to keep a distance from readers). Try telling him the LTTE should’ve broken his other leg, and watch his reaction.”

    Who made the rule that “journalists are supposed to keep a distance from readers”?

    Posted by Padraig Colman | March 13, 2012, 5:14 am
  17. Returning to the theme of this article, Heshan/Nihal/Observer’s hysterical, foaming-at-the-mouth, bonkers reaction to Prof Roberts’s article is the best possible proof that the adulation of VP extends beyond the small circle of committed Eelamists.

    Posted by Mango | March 13, 2012, 12:14 pm

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